Does Your Vote Count?
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Your vote doesn't count.

Does My Vote Really Count?

It is a myth that your vote doesn’t count. Despite the electoral college electing the President directly, every vote counts. It just counts in complex ways that differ by election, state, and region.[1][2][3][4][5]

In other words, your vote is always counted (unless voter fraud occurs), but the ways in which your vote affects the outcome of a given election depends on many factors.

Factors that affect your vote include competition in your state and region, what you are voting on, who you are voting for, and whether we are talking about the general election in which the competitive Presidential election (including the primary and caucus) takes place alongside countless other races, or the “off-year” or mid-term elections (where there is less competition).

The truth is there are many answers to the the question “does my vote count,” and we cover all of them below. First, the bottomline.

TIP: Feel free to skip around the page to find what you are looking for, or simply ask a question in the comments below; this page covers EVERYTHING pertaining to how your vote does or doesn’t count in all elections, it doesn’t just describe how Presidential elections work.

THE BOTTOMLINE ON VOTING IN THE U.S.: Each year elections are held for a variety of different local, state, and federal positions and state-based legislation is voted on. Some of those votes are advisory votes, and some are direct votes. Meanwhile, some positions and most legislation isn’t voted on by the people at all (it is created and voted on by “representatives”). Of the positions that are elected: local, state, and federal Legislative positions are generally all voted on by the people via direct vote, as are state and local executive positions (like Governor). Meanwhile, the President and Vice are elected by appointed electors via the winner-take-all system in most states (in most states electors follow the state popular votes, not the national popular vote, due to state-base customs and rules; thus electoral votes decide the election, and the popular vote is an advisory vote). Those elections aside, most other positions of the three branches are appointed by elected representatives. With that said, the people also vote directly on some state based legislation and can run for most positions. In other words, as can be confirmed by the Amended Constitution and state-based rules, the United States of America is a Republic with a Representative Democracy, not a “Pure Direct Democracy.” Lastly, this is all complicated by parties, media, gerrymandering, strict voter ID, the winner-take-all system, and other aspects of our current voting system and political system. We explain all of those points and more (including exactly how Presidential elections work) in detail below.

Ways in Which Your Vote Counts or Doesn’t Count, Directly or Indirectly

To summarize the above in a bit more detail, your vote counts or doesn’t count in these ways:

  1. The people vote directly on most state, local, and federal “representatives” in the legislative branch (including Senators since the 17th Amendment). The people also vote directly on some types of Executive positions on a local and state based level.
  2. The people vote directly on some state-based legislation (initiatives, referendums, and recalls).
  3. The people cast advisory votes for the President and Vice President in the general election, but those positions are officially elected by “state-based electors” via a “state-based winner-take-all” system (a system in which appointed electors elect the President by considering the popular vote in each state). In other words, the popular vote is an advisory vote, but it is tradition (and in some cases state law) for electors to follow state-based popular votes to decide Presidential and Vice Presidential elections, but officially, according to the Constitution, the electors alone make the choice (see an essay on “faithless electors”). TIP: Presidential and Vice Presidential elections are won by getting a majority of electoral Votes. Currently, that means getting a 270 majority of electoral votes out of a potential 538 (see a detailed explanation of the process below).
  4. All federal Executive positions and most Judicial positions are voted on or appointed by officials, not the people.[6] This being one of many reasons why “your vote matters.”
  5. Most Federal Agencies, including executive agencies with Federal Power, are led by officials who are appointed and then confirmed by Congress. Meanwhile many who work in those agencies are appointed or hired.
  6. All federal legislation is created and voted on by the Legislative branch, not the people. Hence the importance of the people’s direct vote on members of both the federal and state House and Senate.
  7. Voter fraud, gerrymandering, “red-state blue-state” politics, and the winner-take-all system complicate all the above points greatly (and can result in votes technically counting, but not being effective).
  8. The basics of this system are laid out in the Amended Constitution (literally, most of what the original articles of the Constitution do, outside of discussing taxes and a few legal rights, is set up this system “of checks and balances and a separation of powers,” meanwhile many Amendments address voting rights).

Understanding the Constitution and State-based Custom of the Republic Regarding Democracy

This republican style of government may seem restrictive today, but it is actually very democratic classically speaking.

As per the Constitution, the people are supposed to affect the system by becoming “an informed electorate” and participating in local and state government. They aren’t supposed to pick every position at the top of the “food chain,” in fact those aristocratic positions are supposed to be sorts of checks and balances on the democratically elected portion of our government.

Although state-based rules, Amendments, and customs have made the system even more democratic than it was originally (with things changing after the era of Good Feelings with Jackson vs. Adams, then again during the Progressive Era under William Jennings Bryan, with voting rights won along the way), the country was founded as a sort of “mixed-Republic” (a democracy rooted in an aristocracy; a mixed government with “checks and balances”).

With that in mind, the Constitution notably doesn’t mention: the people’s popular vote, the winner-take-all system, primaries, the idea that someone has to actually run for President, or much else.

The reality is, much of what we do in practice is based on 240 years of evolving “state-based law and custom” and not the Constitution itself.

However, that makes sense, we are a federal Union of 50 Republican States, each with unique state Constitutions, United by a central Constitutional Federal Republican government, born from a Confederation of Sovereign States bound together by the Articles of Confederation (the document the Constitution replaced), with enough liberal and democratic rights to ensure a changing system if the people and states demand it (which they did).

How is it fair that we count state-based popular votes and not national popular vote? Given that the electoral system is meant protect minority voting interests and prevent special interests, one could argue that neither the national popular or state-based popular alone is fair (as both discount minority voters in certain regions). Likewise, the complications that arise from things like gerrymandering arguably aren’t fair either. There is more than one effort underway to change the voting system. Learn more about changing the electoral college, but don’t forget the intentions of the founders in forming a Republic. We should be ensuring a system of fairness, not just a system that works for the party we favor today.

Student Asks Obama About Cynicism And Gets A 10 Minute Rant That Nails It. Here is President Obama’s answer to “does my vote count?” He quickly points out that Gerrymandering is a big problem in the US. See why the House is full of Republicans despite Democratic House members getting more votes, or see the twisted history of gerrymandering for examples of Democrats using redistricting.

Making Sense of the The Many Ways in Which Your Vote Does or Doesn’t Count

Above we covered the essentials, the rest of the page will be about details regarding how the voting system works and how your vote does or doesn’t count in each of the many different elections held each year.

Your Vote Counts in Many Different Races in Each Election in General

Many different state, local, and federal races are run each year.

State’s ballot measures are presented to vote on in each election including in the recent General election.

For example, the 58th quadrennial U.S. presidential election (Trump’s election) took place alongside state legislature races, federal legislature races, and an assortment of state and local races.

In other words, you don’t just vote for the President; you vote on many local, state, and federal races and state-based ballot measures![7]

Some votes are direct votes, and some are advisory votes, and every state has unique rules.

Thus, the answer to how much a single vote from a given state or region will affect the outcome of any given race is hard to state in any simple terms (especially when we consider redistricting and gerrymandering).

In some races, and on some ballot measures, a single vote will make little impact; in others, such as in close races or swing states, it can be a key deciding factor.

Examples of the Ways in Which Voting Matters in a Given Region

Just take my home state of Washington for example and see my 2016 regional voter pamphlet here.

We voted on minimum wage, campaign finance, a carbon tax, and gun control in 2016.

In my region, we even had to vote on Cathy McMorris Rodgers (the highest ranking Republican woman in Congress) vs. Joe Pakootas (who would have been the first Native American in Congress if he was elected).

That single race truly impacted national politics and history. Never-mind the advisory votes to maintain or repeal current legislation, or the many federal, state, and local races for executive, legislative, and judicial positions on the ballot.

It is easy to get sidetracked by the very important Presidential race, but there is way more than that at stake in any election.

With that said, let’s discuss the main topic on most people’s minds. How your vote does and doesn’t count in a Presidential election.

A Summary of How Your Vote Counts, Including the Ways it Counts in a Presidential Election

We can summarize the answer to the “does my vote count in a Presidential Election” question like this:

  • Your vote doesn’t count directly in the Presidential election. The Presidential election is an indirect election where 538 electors (allotted to states based on population) officially elect the President by getting a 270 electoral vote majority. The vote is 270 to win in 2016. This has differed through history as the nation grew; see here. In the Presidential election, the Popular vote is an advisory vote (a vote meant to inform the state-based electors who vote on the President directly). Most states use a “winner-takes-all” process based on the popular vote. This means that ALL the electors in that state vote with the popular vote in that state. This is why the red state/blue state issue can make a single vote matter less in the Presidential race. The important thing to note here is that while the Constitution sets up the system of electors, it doesn’t mandate that they follow the popular vote (see faithless electors) or say how they should award votes at all. If no candidate gets a majority of electoral votes, the decision goes to the House of Representatives. This means, as with Bush vs. Gore, a candidate can win the popular vote but lose the election anyway due to the electoral vote. This also means that if a third party takes enough electoral votes, thus depriving any candidate of the majority and causing the House to vote, then a candidate can win both the electoral vote and popular vote and still lose! This is what happened in 1824, thus ending “the Era of Good Feelings” and essentially re-splitting the Democratic-Republicans into two parties (see the history of the parties).[8][9] See What Happens If Nobody Wins the Presidency: QuickTake Q&A from Bloomberg Politics for more on what happens if none gets the 270 electoral majority. TIP: The general election happens on November 8th, the electors vote on December 19th, and the votes are counted January 6th to officially decide the next President.
  • Your vote for President doesn’t count for much if you vote against the majority in your state or district. Simply put, if you vote against the majority in your state or region, then your vote won’t always affect the outcome of a given election due to the winner-take-all nature of elections.
  • However, your vote counts in just about every other way generally speaking, especially in swing states and swing districts, for local and state races, and for ballot measures. When we consider that elected officials make the laws, pass budgets and help choose electors, and when we consider ballot measures include citizen-based initiatives like single payer and state and local taxes like property taxes and sales taxes, the gravity of this all becomes clearer. Even votes that don’t affect an outcome of a race can still sway politicians and fellow voters down the road by showing there is increasing support or opposition for an issue or candidate.
  • Thus, broadly speaking and semantics aside, “your vote counts” and, “your vote matters,” especially in off-year and mid-year state and local elections where voter turnout is as low as 40%…. With this being true DESPITE the winner-take-all system and gerrymandered districts where state-based and regional popular votes diminish the effect of a single vote by a minority.

Below we will explain how the electoral college, electors, and delegates work in Presidential elections in more detail, and more ways in which your vote does and doesn’t matter on a local, state, and federal level with electoral fraud and many other factors considered.

TIP: Are you registered to vote? The first step to getting your vote counted is registering. Learn more at USA.Gov. Remember, America isn’t officially a two-party system, and there are lots of races happening in every election. Get registered and informed early and be prepared to take part in the Democratic process. Our future depends on an informed participatory electorate.

Can we change the way voting works? The way the Presidential election works could be changed by a Constitutional Amendment or by custom. The Constitution says electors elect the President, so changing that would take an amendment. However, “winner-takes-all” is a custom, and states could change that without an amendment. See the National Popular Vote initiative.

ELECTION 2016 UPDATE: On this page you’ll note we stress that the U.S. is a Republic and the popular vote is an advisory vote in the Presidential election. To be clear, the past November 8th, 2016 election didn’t officially decide the President (or Vice President), the Electoral College did when they voted on December 19th, 2016. This means that Hillary Clinton, who won the national popular vote, but not the state-based popular vote, could have still ended up being the President in 2017 if enough electors had switched their votes. In other words, everyone’s vote counted, and the popular vote mattered, and the state-based popular vote will like decide the electors’ vote in any given Presidential election (just like it did for Trump in 2016 who won the electoral but lost the popular), but the details are complex! This election has been a great example of the way our voting system works and the ways in which votes do and don’t count, so keep paying attention. Our republic may have some complex rules, and “red-state blue-state politics” may complicate this (see this critique of winner-take-all or this discussion of gerrymandering), but our rules and customs were generally enacted purposefully in the spirit of the American values of federalism, democracy, and republicanism. Yes, being a minority voter in state or district can affect how much your vote counts (how ironic given the justification for the College), but the only thing that ensures your vote doesn’t count is not voting. For any district or state, the minority voter isn’t an active voter for a party, it is [in many ways] voters in general. The most common position to take in most elections is not voting. Consider, according to PEW data, only 28.5% of voting eligible Americans voted in the primary (the preliminary popular election that picks the candidates for President)… thus, before you even cast your ballot on Nov. 8th, 2016, your choices had been decided for you by [in many cases] the direct voting of 57.6 million of our 320 million Americans. If you want your vote to count, you must cast your ballot, if you want to change the electoral system, you must participate. For official sources see archive.gov’s Presidential Election Laws and The 2016 Presidential Election.

TIP: Advisory votes aren’t the same as direct votes, but they are still important. Brexit was an advisory vote, and that affected a lot. The Florida recount in Bush vs. Gore was the Popular vote, and that mattered too, as Florida is a “Winner-takes-all” state. There are different types of votes and many elections on each ballot (the Presidential race is only one of many races on the general election ballot). Sometimes you’ll vote for officials directly; other times it’ll be to maintain or recall a measure brought by an official or even your fellow citizens. At times it will be an advisory vote on an indirect election. Each vote counts, albeit in different ways depending on your state and district.

FACTD.C. and 48 states have the “winner-takes-all” rule for the Electoral College. In these States, whichever candidate receives a majority of the popular vote, or a plurality of the popular vote (less than 50 percent, but more than any other candidate), takes all of the state’s Electoral votes. Only two states, Nebraska and Maine, do not follow the “winner-takes-all” rule. This is why it is very hard for a third party to win the Presidency and why people complain about “splitting the vote.” See the FAQ section of Archives.Gov for official answers to many of the questions we cover here regarding the Presidential election.

TIP: Every state gets a minimum of three electors regardless of its population, for this reason, the system can be seen to favor low-population states like Rhode Island who would otherwise have fewer than 3. Likewise, high-population winner-take-all states like Texas and California have the most impact on the election of any state because they have the most electors. These are just two of the ways “what state you live in” matters regarding the semantics of the “does my vote count” question.

FACT: In recent elections, about 55-60% of the voting eligible population voted in Presidential elections, and only about 40% voted in midterm elections. Midterm elections don’t involve electors, so if anything there is less turnout when the vote counts more. See Voter turnout in the United States presidential elections for specific statistics and graphs.[10][11]

FACT: Paying attention to all candidates and casting your vote for EACH & EVERY RACE is called “Voting Down the Ballot.” The President may not be elected by popular vote, but many state and local positions are (including Senators and Governors for example). Candidates for local office often run uncontested. This means even a meager turnout can affect who gets elected, and thus who writes state legislation and passes budgets like state Senators and Governors. This simple fact alone is justification enough never to miss a chance to participate in democracy via the ballot box, below we will present more.[12][13][14]

How Does the President Get Elected? – The Electoral College Explained: How Does the Voting Process Work With the Popular Vote, Delegates, and Electors for Presidential Elections?

Before we get into all the ways that your vote matters, let’s clarify how the Presidential election works.

The Presidential election works like this (2016 dates are used below to provide examples, dates are subject to change each year):

  1. People vote directly in primaries/caucuses to award and influence state delegates. The exact process differs by state and party, with the Democrats using appointed Superdelegates for instance.
  2. Delegates help determine party platforms, and they also vote for a primary candidate by pledging themselves to a candidate on behalf of their state. A pledged delegate can switch their vote at any time before the final vote is counted at the party’s Convention. Learn more about Delegates in the United States.
  3. Once a primary candidate has enough pledged delegates, they become the party’s candidate for the general election. The specifics can be more complex than this, for example, see FDR’s contested convention.
  4. Then, for the general election, officials from each party in each state pick or vote for “electors.” The process differs by state, but electors aren’t chosen by popular vote either. This body of electors forms an electoral college.
  5. Then, people in each state vote on November 8th in an advisory vote.
  6. Then, based on the Popular “advisory” vote in each state, the electoral college votes for the President on December 19th.
  7. If no candidate wins a clear 270 majority when votes are counted in January 6th, then it is the job of the House to elect the President.
  8. Finally, on January 20th, the President officially takes office on inauguration day after taking the Oath of Office.

Thus, the popular vote affects the primaries, the behavior of the delegates, and can influence and advise the electors but it will never officially directly choose the President. It is an “advisory vote” in an “indirect election“, electors cast their direct votes in December and nothing is official until January.

TIP: As noted above, dates are subject to change each election, for example electors vote “On the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December” which in 2016 is December 19th. Likewise, the general election is statutorily set as “the Tuesday next after the first Monday in the month of November” where the earliest possible date is November 2, and the latest possible date is November 8 (as it was for the 2016 election). See a timeline of the 2016 election for 2016’s dates. See Presidential Election Laws and The 2016 Presidential Election for more details.

NOTE: Most other positions in the U.S. are elected by popular vote or appointed, elected, or hired by one or more of the three branches.

See Article. II. Section. 1. of the United States Constitution and the 12th, 20th, and 23rd Amendment for more information on the voting process, President, Vice President, and “electoral college.” Or see, What is the Electoral College? as well as Who are the Electors?[15][16][17][18]

Electoral College and the National Archives.The U.S. is a Republic ruled by law with strong democratic tradition. This video can help you understand the electoral college.

A Summary of Why Voting Matters on a Federal, State, and Local Level

Now that you have the gist of the argument and an overview of how the Presidential election works, let’s cover a few key points:

  • The first thing to understand is that America is a representative democracy. It is a Constitutional Federal Republic with three branches. Elected representatives make the laws, vote on the laws, and pick the President. People vote for elected officials and on some state-based ballot measures. There shouldn’t be an expectation that the popular vote will pick the President directly. We have a Democratic spirit, as can be noted by our rather democratic process of electors following the advisory vote and all the other direct elections, but we aren’t a Direct Democracy where people vote directly on laws.
  • Secondly, many positions in the three branches (especially the executive and judicial) are hired or appointed (so again, you are voting for someone else to act, not voting directly on many things; a representative democracy). Whether it is the 4,000,000 working in the executive branch, or federal judges, not every seat in government is an elected one.
  • Lastly, red state/blue state politics, red district/blue district politics, and sad partisan strategies like gerrymandering add complexity to the topic. Your vote will count less if you are voting against the majority in your state or region and more if you are in a swing state or swing district.
  • The first two statements can be verified with a quick reading of the Constitution and its Amendments including the human rights document The Bill of Rights which helps affirm the democratic part. The last statement is what we need to safeguard our Republic by voting. The structure of government is enshrined in the Constitution, so we must honor it, but party politics are a matter of culture, and voter fraud is an affront to democracy.

Semantics and complexities aside, when people say “your vote doesn’t count” they are typically being cynical and talking about how the electoral college works, how the electors pick the President, and how the President is not elected by popular vote.

As one commenter said, “it is 270 electoral votes to win, not 320 million popular votes.” True, such is Article. II. Section. 1. of the Constitution which states the race is won by winning a majority of electoral votes. However, the Constitution also points out “if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President” and “The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

We the people choose the House as intended by the original wording of the Constitution, and this is significant.

Consider John Quincy Adams vs. Andrew Jackson in the 1824 election where Jackson won the popular vote and the electoral vote but didn’t get 270 electoral votes. Consequently, Adams won anyway in a “corrupt bargain” with Henry Clay. When no candidate gets a clear majority, the vote goes to the House. In 1824 the House, filled with officials elected by popular vote, picked the President. Certainly, people’s votes counted in the 1824 Presidential election in many ways, despite Clay’s sway.

DESPITE the electoral college being the body that elects the President directly in a normal Presidential election, and the Popular vote being an advisory vote that influences them, there are many complex ways in which your vote matters in a Presidential election. These include in the Primary when delegates are awarded and in swing states and swing districts as well as in complex indirect ways like when you vote for a House member in mid-term.

Almost more important than the ways in which your vote affects Presidential elections is the way it affects essentially everything else including other races on the ballot in the general election.

Some state and local votes are advisory votes, such as votes to repeal or maintain taxes. State legislative positions on the ballot including those in the House and Senate may also be advisory. Senators have been elected by popular vote since the Seventeenth Amendment. Many local positions like Governors are elected by popular vote. State-based ballot measures like LGBT marriage, state-based healthcare reforms, and recreational/medical marijuana are also enacted by popular vote and can even be brought to the table by voters like you using initiatives, referendums, and recalls.

Your vote always matters. You vote counts when we discuss public opinion, swing states, the President’s ability to pick Supreme Court Judges, uncontested seats in local and state elections, state-based ballot measures upholding the principles of federalism. It counts in getting the public option on the ballot, getting a say in whether your sheriff is a staunch conservative, liberal, a libertarian, or whether it’s about the budgets your governors will pass and programs they will shut down or start up.

Simply put, to reiterate, America is a Republic which can also be described as a “representative” democracy. We aren’t a “pure” “direct” democracy where people vote on matters and create laws directly. State-based initiatives, referendums, and recalls are the exception. This concept is confirmed by the Constitution and goes back to the Greeks and Romans.[19]

Madison, the father of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, working with other Founders on both sides of the isle. They constructed a “large Republic” carefully (see the Federalist #10). They included a separation of powers and checks and balances knowing that the many elected positions could offset corruption in the few (see The Federalist No. 51). The people check the legislative branch; the House checks the Senate; the Popular vote advises the Electoral vote; the President picks SCOTUS justices. Not all these processes work the same, but in all cases, a participatory electorate serves as the foundation.

TIP: Learn more about how elections work in the United States. Or; see a discussion of the forms of government.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: State Legislatures and ALEC (HBO). John Oliver explaining ALEC and some of the ways in which your vote matters in state and local elections. Once it sinks in how many uncontested seats are out there and how much this affects our Federation of 50 sovereign states you’ll never skip an election again.

THE BOTTOM LINE: The question “does my vote count” is not simple to answer. The bottom line is, “your vote counts for a lot in some races, particularly at the state level and in swing states where you can influence electors, but less so in others. Your vote counts less in matters concerning the electoral college, gerrymandering (and other forms of voter suppression), and general “red state” “blue state” politics.” Political maneuvering can dictate certain positions in a state or district.

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: Where do you think the concept that “your vote doesn’t count” originates? Do you think it’s easier or harder for special interests to wield power when a well-informed citizenry participates in a representative democracy? Think about it. You and your vote matter. You have a voice, you have a pen, you have a ballot, and you have the right to use them, as ensured by the Amended Constitution.

Voting, the Republic, and Voter Fraud – When and How Your Vote Does or Doesn’t Count

Above we presented all the basics. Below we will explore some additional details, differing viewpoints, and present some helpful videos purposefully curated to help better illustrate all the key points.

In America, elected officials, and not citizens, vote directly for most laws and importantly for the President. The President then appoints Federal Court Judges and Executive positions. Meanwhile, citizens vote for members of Congress, the Legislative Branch, the House and Senate, and some local positions like mayors, sheriffs, and local judges, etc. People can also bring initiatives, referendums, and recalls to the table directly, and these can be voted on directly as well.[20][21][22]

In summary, “citizens vote for elected officials who pick the President and make the laws.” This government style, laid out by the Constitution, is called a representative democracy or a republic. America is not a “direct democracy” because the founders chose a Republic.

While your vote doesn’t always “count” directly in some ways, and voter fraud (including voter suppression) has occurred in just about every election in recorded history (including American elections), your vote still matters in enough ways to make it worth participating in EVERY election.[23]

A single vote can affect elections and influence politicians in a wide range of ways, even when it doesn’t count toward the winner of an election or change a law (especially when considering voting in primaries and all local and state elections). Despite this, in any election you aren’t just up against a popular vote, you are up against the official and unofficial political machines (including the major parties) who put their weight behind their self-interest and the self-interest they share with other groups. Some might see this as a reason to stay home, but we will argue this is more of a reason to get out and vote and to general participate in all elections.

Does your vote count? The Electoral College explained – Christina Greer.

TIP: Consider that the much debated “Brexit” was an “advisory vote”; the people didn’t get to choose to exit the EU directly, they simply made popular sentiment known via the ballot box. Britain also has a type of representative democracy. In the case of Brexit, “sovereignty rests in the Queen in Parliament” who must represent the House of Lords and Commons, the people, their respective parties, and the nation as a whole. This type of system trades direct democracy for a more conservative system of order, tradition, the separation of powers, and some checks and balances.

TIP: When a race is close, voter fraud is the most dangerous, when overwhelming support is shown for a candidate or issue, it becomes much harder to suppress the vote.

TIP: Before the 17th amendment, state legislatures elected senators; that is how the Constitution was written, see Article I, §3, Clauses 1 and 2. This worked out so poorly that the Senators themselves voted to be elected by popular vote starting in the November 1914 electionPopular Election of Senators at Heritage.org.[24]

How Does My Vote Count?

In America, your vote counts in that it:

  • Helps determine primary candidates and determines how many delegates are awarded to each candidate in state Presidential caucuses and primaries (each party holds its caucus/primary).
  • Helps influence the vote of delegates and super-delegates. Delegates vote directly in Presidential primaries, not people, and they can change their mind even if awarded or “pledged” to a specific candidate.
  • Helps influence electors in the Presidential general election. Electors vote for President, see electoral college explained below.
  • Directly affects Senate and House positions and some local positions and legislation.
  • Helps influence politicians, the media, and your fellow citizens.

Why is Voting in the Presidential Election Important?

The popular vote does not decide the presidential election (see Bush V. Gore). Also, the majority in your state can outweigh your minority vote causing your vote “not to count.” However, a single vote in a general election can sway the opinions of politicians, delegates and super-delegates, electors, and others. It can create a butterfly effect that impacts politics in a variety of direct and indirect ways.

In local and state politics your vote has real power. Legislators in the House and Senate care if they have popular support as they are subject to direct elections. Voting locally can make many practical differences in regards to local laws, programs, and taxes.

The best way to show support for a candidate, party, or idea in a representative democracy is to vote.

Does it Matter if I Vote?

Your vote matters in all elections, but admittedly voting for an unpopular presidential candidate in your state will have little direct effect on who is elected.

Voting matters most when you are voting directly for members of the House or Senate or in state and local elections, where fewer people tend to vote and where your vote has more influence. The popular vote counts for more than just electing a President.

Do I Have to Vote?

It is your right not to vote, but it is your responsibility as a living breathing citizen of your country to participate in the democratic process.

Many elections in recent history have been close calls. For instance, Bush vs. Gore was the closest race in modern American political history.

When you vote you vote for an idea, against corruption, against special interest, against voter fraud and suppression, and for the Republic and the democratic process. You vote to exercise your most basic rights as a citizen. You vote to say, “I value my liberty.” See the Bill of Rights for more information on Rights.

TIP: One person can make a difference. Think about Plato, Aristotle, Smith, Keynes, Jefferson, Hamilton, FDR, MLK, LBJ, etc.

Your Vote Counts

Forget the MTV rock the vote. Voting isn’t about an election; it is about liberty and basic human rights. Image Source: Theresa Thompson via Flickr.com  and http://www.personalincome.org/vote/.

Not Voting Matters Too

Not only does your vote count, but those who don’t vote count too, as every missing vote is a vote for apathy (and in many ways a vote for the other side). Voter fraud is when votes are suppressed. When you suppress your vote, what should we call that? When another person tells you your vote doesn’t count, it is an injustice, but what is it called when you believe them?[25]

Did People Always Have the Right to Vote?

People didn’t always have the right to vote. Voting rights were gained in England starting in the 1600’s. In America, voting rights were ensured over time through the Constitution and amendments to the Constitution from 1787 to the 1960’s. Today all citizens have the right to vote, but only a fraction of the population exercises their right. Unfortunately, some types of voter suppression and voter fraud complicate the issue.[26]

A good example of why the right to vote is important is The Three-Fifths Compromise, found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution. It reads:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other Persons. – Three-Fifths Compromise

It took a Civil War and a hundred of years of Plessy v. FergusonBrown v. Board of Education, and voting rights acts to get where we are today. And every time we let our guard down at the ballot box we see redistricting and state-based voter ID laws (which hurt young people, social and economic minorities, and seniors). The right to vote was hard won, and it is potentially easy to lose again if we aren’t vigilant.

FACT: Women were denied the right to vote until 1920 when the Nineteenth Amendment was passed. Before that, women had only been able to vote in select states. Many women of color couldn’t vote due to discrimination at the state and local level until after the 1965 Voting Rights Act passed under LBJ.

Constitutional Compromises: Crash Course Government and Politics #5

Your Civic Duty V. Your Liberty and Rights

You have a (moral, not legal) responsibility to yourself, your country, and the world to vote. You also have Liberty, and thus you have the right not to vote. This may be a matter of free-will, but it is also a question of morality, ethics, and justice. When you don’t participate, you open the door for corruption. Corruption is what happens when power is given to the few without the consent of the people. Participation helps to avoid “an oligarchy.”

Now it is time for some dissenting viewpoints, which are summed up in the following video.

How America Votes: Does Your Vote Count?. A free market approach to voting? That doesn’t sound good? It sounds like something special interests would do when people were not politically active or vigilant. Wealth inequality and voter fraud have done a number on our society, which is all the more reason to get out and vote.

And Now, a Quick Message From Our Founders – An Informed Electorate in a Representative Democratic Republic

Your ancestors died for your right to consent to be governed. Your basic human rights depend on your participation, and the extent to which you make the right choice depends on your ability to inform yourself.

“The Founding Fathers believed that a concerned and informed electorate was necessary to establish and maintain an efficient and effective democratic society. Eligible voters were expected to take the time to study the issues and candidates, discuss these issues and candidates at public meetings, and then carefully weigh the relevant information before deciding how to vote.” – The Economics of Voting: What Do You Mean My Vote Doesn’t Count?

The fight for the right to vote in the United States – Nicki Beaman Griffin. Only 6% of Americans were allowed to vote in our first election, today only a fraction vote despite everyone having the right. You have liberty and the right not to exercise your rights.

Much has been said of the impropriety of representing men who have no will of their own. They are men, though degraded to the condition of slavery. They are persons known to the municipal laws of the states which they inhabit, as well as to the laws of nature. But representation and taxation go together…. Would it be just to impose a singular burden, without conferring some adequate advantage? – Alexander Hamilton [27]

“…whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.” – Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price Paris, January 8, 1789[28]

TIP: For extra reading, if you can find it, Edward Bernays’Speak Up for Democracy: What You Can Do—A Practical Plan of Action for Every American Citizen.” “Speak up” has been all but buried by history, as it was never that popular, but luckily Bernays’ 1920 masterwork Propaganda was. Read Propaganda by Bernays online here, and realize this applies to you, “the new propagandist,” too. You may not have a PAC or a lobbying firm, but you do have the right to free speech, press, assembly, and a computer. See tips for understanding the cycle of oppression and rebellion to understand the pros and cons of forming groups.

Voting For President – 8 Reasons Why Your Vote Doesn’t Matter. Here is the opposing view that says, “your vote doesn’t matter.” The underlying inalienable right your country protects for you is liberty. You have the liberty not to vote; that makes choosing to uphold your civic duty even more admirable. You’ll have to make up your mind, do you trust the person who says “don’t vote, it doesn’t matter” or do you trust me when I tell you “your liberty is on the line.”



Conclusion

Every vote counts, but not always directly, as America (like most countries) is not a Pure Direct Democracy.

America is a Constitutional Federal Republic; with strong democratic tradition. That is something to be proud of, you get to show that pride with your vote. The popular vote matters in Presidential elections, even if it doesn’t elect a president, it influences the electors. In state and local elections your vote can matter even more.


Citations

  1. So, who really won? What the Bush v. Gore studies showed” CNN.com
  2. The Economics of Voting: What Do You Mean My Vote Doesn’t Count?” Econedlink.org
  3. Elections” Census.gov
  4. Does my vote count? Understanding the electoral college” Learnnc.org
  5. Does Your Vote Count? A Look into the Electoral College” Parade.com
  6. How are Judges Selected?
  7. State & Local Government Powers not granted to the federal government are reserved for states and the people, which are divided between state and local governments.
  8. How Electoral Votes Are Distributed Explanation of How States Allocate Electoral Votes
  9. Deadlock by Laurence H. Tribe and Thomas M. Rollins
  10. Voter Turnout
  11. Voter turnout in the United States presidential elections
  12. Voting Down the Ballot
  13. The Key to Winning Down-Ballot Races
  14. What if We Used the Electoral College to Elect State Governors?
  15. What is the Electoral College?” Archives.gov
  16. Who are the Electors?” Archives.gov
  17. Government 101: United States Presidential Primary” Votesmart.org
  18. Delegates Vs. Electors” NBCnews.com
  19. “Representative” Democracy
  20. Direct democracy
  21. Direct Election of Senators
  22. INITIATIVE, REFERENDUM AND RECALL
  23. Electoral fraud
  24. Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution” Wikipedia.org
  25. Unbelievable GOP Statements on Voter Suppression” Billmoyers.com
  26. Voter Fraud Facts” Voterfraudfacts.com (disclosure: run by the author of this page).
  27. Jonathan Elliot, ed. (1866)” The Debates In The Several State Conventions On The Adoption Of The Federal Constitution, As Recommended By The General Convention At Philadelphia, In 1787. J.B. Lippincott & Co. Washington: Taylor & Maury. p. 237.
  28. Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price Paris, January 8, 1789” let.Rug.nl


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Daniel Lee on

Counting on your vote to “sway” the party elite’s opinions over the millions of dollars they get in contributions both directly and through PACs and Super PACs is delusional at best.
There is No true democracy in the US – it is entirely run by graft and corruption – the collusion of the political powers and the rich. The US is a dictatorship run by the rich, who keep the working class contained with the illusion that they have some influence over the decisions made by their slave masters.
Don’t give your endorsement of your own enslavement!

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Thank you for the viewpoint. Many people feel this way, and they aren’t without merit. Still, if we go back in history we can see all the cases where public opinion (either sentiment or vote) does hold sway. The smaller the election, the more sway it holds. When FDR passed the New Deal, he quietly urged progressives to stand-up and demand change. Same of LBJ and MLK. Same is always true. The elites will always have more power, but the average citizen will always have more numbers. As corrupt as the system can get at times (see the Gilded Age for example) every vote always matters. At the worst of times it matters less and gets suppressed, but the most extreme form of voter suppression is self-imposed by those who don’t even cast their ballot.

So, to be clear, the argument on the page is “your vote matters” and “your vote often also counts”, but we live in a Representative Republic where voter fraud and suppression occurs in each cycle (which causes many, including you, to with valid criticism of this stance). I’ll aim to ensure this page better represents that view.

LC on

Factmyth just lots a ton of credibility. No, you’re vote, does not in any way, count towards who is elected president.

Ken on

This dances around the “fact” people’s vote do not matter in the Presidential election. Media and this debate are laughable. 270 electoral vote out of 538 not the 328 million people

Erin Georgen on

The system is complex, so the first thing we want people to know is that their vote really is vital in forming the Congress and local governments. If there is no 270, it is the house who picks the President (one reason of many it is not so simple as you say).

Sure, factor in gerrymandering, red-state blue-state, and the Constitutional Republic and it can feel like it doesn’t matter, but it does, and in many ways. I’ll try to make this clearer. Thanks for the feedback.

Mags on

Sadly, I cannot agree. While, yes, corruption and voter suppression are quite rampant, I argue that that is not the root problem. It’s the first-past-the-post voting system itself that has fundamental problems, which this video sums up very well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

I think its important for people to understand the nuances, even if that makes the answer less clear cut than “your vote matters” or “your vote doesn’t matter”.

David on

The best way change the system is to vote, and to show those people in power who keep your vote from counting that they can’t stay in power unless the system isn’t rigged. Which means you need to vote so those who keep your vote from meaning something won’t have the ability to do what they are doing to your ability to vote. So go out and vote, and show those who are in power that your vote counts and that you won’t take it when they ensure that it doesn’t. Have a good night every one.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Amen. That is exactly right. Make sure to inform yourself about the many elections that happen in the general and make sure to “VOTE DOWN THE TICKET”. Even if you write in a candidate, you are making a statement and showing that “we the people” care.

Judy Deyoe on

Will my vote count if I don’t vote on all the referendums?

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Because there are so many different types of elections on an election day the answer is almost always going to be a clear yes for all people. To have none of your votes “count” (where we mean it somewhat semantically, not idealistically) every race you vote in has to be you voting against a clear majority. So if you are Green in a heavily red district and you don’t vote on any state initiatives or referendums then every one of your votes could be outweighed by other voters. Still, the data will show (if not voter fraud occurs) that there is one extra vote for that candidate and if that is reported or seen by officials it could affect the tone of the country. If you vote for one of the two major parties then it is even less likely “your vote won’t count” even in this way. And now if we consider judges, who I believe always run without a party name, it is even more likely your vote will count.

Lowne on

For presidential elections no our votes MEAN NOTHING! Our vote is nothing more than a suggestion, which is ignored, for the electoral college. Bush v Gore PROVES BEYOND ANY QUESTION that our votes do NOT count, rather absurd to try and argue against this.

Oh it counts in local elections…no it doesn’t, not after the districts are re-drawn to eliminate your vote.

Try again, it’s a PROVEN FACT that no, our votes don’t matter. We do NOT live in a democratic society, minority rules and the elite decide, this is beyond proven fact

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

I appreciate to the feedback. I know people feel this way, and their beliefs aren’t unfounded. As we address above, redistricting and red-state / blue-state and red-region / blue-region politics complicates the issue. Still, when we consider all elections (like judges and ballot measures and all local positions) there is a lot to affect.

Also, the Presidential vote is an advisory vote by nature, there can be recalls, and if there is no clear majority then the house votes to elect to President. There are so many ways in which a vote counts despite the electoral college and voter fraud that I can’t sign off on the “your vote doesn’t count” myth.

And, not to be snarky, but we live in a Federal Republic (a federation of states with a Republican government). We have a democratic sub-system and each of our 50 sovereign states in the Union has itself a Republican Government with some amount of direct democracy. Given the complexity of the three branches on the state and federal and all the local races and ballot measures there are many ways in which a vote can count in a given election.

However, there are many ways in which voter fraud occurs on both sides of the isle at different levels of government (not just direct fraud, which isn’t officially committed often, but suppression like gerrymandering and to some minds voter ID). Thus, we have a long way to go, but a clear majority coming out in any race is going to be unbeatable. Like with Sanders, he wasn’t going to beat Clinton by a small margin, he had to come up with a clear majority to beat the favorite, that didn’t happen, but it wasn’t impossible. Some for Bush vs. Gore, if there was a blow-out the recount and results wouldn’t have been so questionable.

It is my hope that one of the two Presidential candidates hits that clear majority so we can heal up and focus on our Union instead of division.

Lc on

A presidential advisory vote is simply not a vote. Bottom line. This website is pushing an agenda, we get it. If people vote for president they also vote for senators et-al, which ultimately determines if their state is red or blue. We get it. Don’t lie to people in thinking their vote “counts” in any way shape or form during the final count to determine president

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Like we say above as we detail out every way in which your vote does and doesn’t matter in general, “yes, the popular vote is an advisory vote”… it advises though your state electors in the winner-take-all system, thus it matters in the Presidential race.

Now consider all the other races and ballot measures, and you’ll have to conclude, like we did, “the electoral college, voter fraud, and suppression aside, your vote counts”.

Beanie on

It’s disheartening to me that our votes and support mean less than we would like to believe. This information is very detailed and explanatory, yet more and more people are becoming quite aware that who we choose is not as vital to the outcome as we’re led to think.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Yeah, it can be a little disheartening in that we all place so much focus on the POTUS, yet it is one of the most difficult votes to influence (difficult, not impossible). Still, when you look at all the different ballot measures and races you can vote on, it shows that we have a very democratic society in which our votes matters. If we had 100% participation in all elections (including mid-term and off-year) we would completely change the face of the country.

Consider, in some races this year politicians are running unopposed and we’ll be lucky if we have 70% of eligible voters voting, so there is lots of work to as far as participating in elected office and voting for elected officials. Outside of the voting season we need to stay active and keep the pressure on to “check” those we elect and ensure they are working for the people as promised.

Monica Menduno on

Please edit this blog post again – I saw many errors in your spelling and grammar which makes you sound unintelligent.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Thank you for the note. I’ll have our editor take another look ASAP. Glad the feedback is errors in spelling and grammar and not in the accuracy of the content!

Benjamin Gunnells on

FACT
YOU apparently have such a short memory that you’ve forgotten the 2000 “election”, Gore won the vote yet Bush became president.

IT IS A FACT, individual votes don’t matter
IT IS A FACT, individual votes have NO bearing on presidential elections
IT IS NOT A MYTH, it is even an amendment to our constitution!

Why lie like this? Citizens votes do NOT matter, the amendments to the constitution AND the 2000 election prove this beyond ANY question!

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Well we explain the Bush election above, it does not go against what we are saying, it fits in-line with what we are saying. (We say for instance, “This means, as with Bush vs. Gore, a candidate can win the popular vote but lose the election anyway due to the electoral vote.”)

It is a MYTH that your vote has no bearing on the Presidential Election. Voter fraud aside, states are “winner-takes-all” (the part the popular vote effects) and the Constitution otherwise dictates that electors vote directly for the President. Get out a copy of the Constitution and read it: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

We live in a Republic with a strong democratic sub-system.

Now get out a voter pamphlet, and we’ll use mine as an example: https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/research/ED%2013%20-%20Spokane.pdf

See all those other races and ballot measures, your vote counts in each (details like advisory voting on some measures, red-region / blue-region politics, gerrymandering, and other low-level voter fraud aside). I am giving you as honest answer as anyone can here, you are getting caught up in the myth that our vote doesn’t count and the idea that we live in a direct democracy (we don’t, our founders didn’t construct one: http://factmyth.com/why-did-the-founding-fathers-choose-a-republic/)

For the Republic, for which it stands, get out and vote Tuesday November 8th (or earlier if your state allows it). Don’t listen to pessimists. If there is anywhere close to 100% voter turnout, it will make big waves.

Jeff on

Thanks for confirming our vote for president does not count one bit.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

The Constitution confirms it, i’m just helping to explain advisory voting and our republican government and democratic customs. You’ll note my conclusion is different, I conclude that, all races and the winner-take-all system considered, your vote really does count… This why the DNC and RNC machines expend so many resources trying to affect public opinion.

Lillie Hawes on

Well if the President isn’t elected by the people’s vote then our vote doesn’t matter at all. So why do we vote for a President. When they are going to put in office who they want in office not who the people want in office. If a canidate gets the majority of the people’s vote then that person should be President. The constitution does read WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

The founders didn’t set the system up that way. They set up a representative republic, so now we have one.

Luckily, the winner-take-all custom is very democratic and we have a ton of down ballot races [and in some states] ballot measures to vote on too.

I know local and state officials who need your votes in my region, i’m sure it is the same in most regions. We have to get over any shock pertaining to the nature of electoral college and get out and vote. We are already 250 years deep, November 8th isn’t the day to give up and stop voting.

Your vote matters, regardless of what the detractors say. I think we’ve proved that above. Anyway, only one way to find out, right?

Kathy Morita on

I actually have a question – How would one go about sued the government over the electoral college system – because I feel every time I vote in the Presidential election, my vote is a suppressed vote because of where I live. I understand your explanation about it being an advisory vote – but in this day and age – if we can count every vote in a matter of hours from when the polls close, why do we need the electoral college? We are always told every vote counts – but if you live in a state that does not allocate even a percentage of electoral votes to the minority party – then your vote is useless (as far as voting for the office of the presidency goes). This in my opinion is the same as saying “you can’t vote because you are a Democrat in a Republican state”. All it does is to serve to suppress my vote – and voter suppression is against the law!!!!! Where or how would “We the people” file a suit against voter suppression because of the U.S. Government itself?

j on

i disagree with the meat of this article, and admittedly did not read it all. our votes DO NOT count for anything. this was proved when people wanted Gore, and proved now with Hillary getting the popular vote. so stop stuffing this “you need to vote” down our throats. It doesn’t count for anything.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

I disagree obviously, in fact I feel that people not being empowered to vote just cost Democrats the Presidency, Senate, and House.

See other takes on this from us:

http://factmyth.com/factoids/hillary-clinton-won-the-popular-vote/
http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-president-is-elected-by-the-electoral-college-not-by-popular-vote/
http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-united-states-has-a-two-party-system/
http://factmyth.com/factoids/a-third-party-cant-win/
http://factmyth.com/factoids/voter-fraud-is-real/
http://factmyth.com/lessons-to-learn-from-the-2016-election/

It isn’t that I don’t understand how the system works, it is that despite this all there are many ways in which your vote matters. The idea that our votes don’t count is cynical, not that there isn’t good points, but at the end of the day it is cynical… and as I said, may have helped lose the election for Democrats and won the election for some Republicans. Same as luke-warm turnout did for Gore, same as it was for John Quincy Adams really.

Outlawzero on

No my vote does not count. You can lie all you want but the simple matter is in nearly half of the presidential elections during my adult life the person I voted for won but lost. So no my vote does not count and if by some nearly infinitesimal factor it does it literally costs less than states with more favorable elector/voter ratios and worth even less due to the fact that I am not in a swing state. In about half of the presidential elections I voted in the person I voted for won but lost. It is mathematically possible though unlikely to win the electorate with only 30% of the votes. The electorate was created to prevent large states from bullying small states but instead it has created a situation where small states get to bully big states and my vote is assigned less value than others. Everyone’s vote should count equally on something that affects all of our futures. I have never voting again.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

We could start looking into run-off voting and parliamentary style elections. We could also limit gerrymandering and do a lot to ensure everyone’s vote counts MORE next time. This page is only arguing against the cynical idea that “voting” (including all down ballot) somehow doesn’t matter.

Jack on

From what I’m told by friends who are strongly opposed to electoral college system; the system was designed to keep slave states in check in the 19th century. So by now the only real reason for it is to basicaly make it easy to rig elections so only those 538 voters matter when everyone else’s vote doesn’t. Hillary Clinton tallied up about a million votes over Trump this year. Electoral college was how Bush beat Gore in 2000 when more people voted for Gore.

The only reason the republican party survived the Whitehouse in the 21st century is because of electoral college so far. If America went by the popular vote like it’s supposed to then America would have had all democrat presidents in the 21st century so far. I am kinda glad Hillary didn’t win because there was some corruption with her but Trump was no better. I voted for a 3rd party canidate thos year because personaly I didnt want Hillary or Trump like allot of people but unlike allot of people I recodnised 3rd party candidates like Green, Independent & Libertarian for example.

Bernie Sanders was the only 3rd party canadate that had a chance for oresedency but Hillary basicaly stole that from him. I actually voted for Jill Stein because I agreed with allot of her plans but Berie is a good example of why 3rd parties loose their chance for the presidency.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

So, this is a fairly accurate view. But put yourselves in the shoes of a Republican from the deep south or simply a devote Trump voter, they may be a slight minority in America according to the popular vote (oh the irony), but ideally our system should respect both the minority and majority (as what is the gripe over slavery if not this, right?… I mean it being an immoral abomination aside).

Our founders actually feared that majority rule would be tyrannical (everyone from Aristotle to modern philosophers have warned of this; athough Aristotle justified slavery, so um, but I digress).

While state-based rules do perhaps favor that Republican minority [who is just barely a minority) in some ways, 2016 was so divided, with so many not voting or going to third parties, it is hard to not see the wisdom in everything falling back on the electoral system.

I’d personally rather abolish winner-take-all and just use the electors than follow the national or state-based popular votes. Both seem divisive and both seem to be slightly lackluster in safeguarding the Union. But i’m not an elector or Congress, so I don’t get to make calls like that.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/hillary-clinton-won-the-popular-vote/
See this page for a take on slavery and Constitutional compromises: http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery/

Also, don’t think all the founders wanted slavery, consider Gouverner Morris (a oft forgotten and underrated founding father and penman of the Consitution): http://www.blackpast.org/1787-gouverner-morris-curse-slavery

Also, see Locke (Jefferson’s influence for the Declaration) on slavery… Slavery was disdained by many thinkers, the American south was one of the most humane slave-owning territories in the world at the time, and the battle over it (AKA Civil War) was about much more than just the human rights issue. Consider slavery was one of the few things that allowed the old south to compete with the old north economically and the south is more rural (and thus has different needs). It is easy to shame their views today, but the 3,000 foot reality is complex. http://www.gradesaver.com/second-treatise-of-government/study-guide/summary-chapter-iv-of-slavery

American on

If electoral decides then my vote doesn’t matter at all, simple is that. You might have 2000 dumb complex answers saying your vote counts but in reality my vote doesn’t matter. My vote for a candidate doesn’t count. We are being fooled, why to take time off from job and stand in long queues when my vote actually doesn’t matter. What all matters is Electoral vote. So, listen people of my country, don’t waste your time and efforts to vote, say bye bye to polling booths, bye bye to election. We will save all of those millions and billions of dollars of our tax money being spend on elections.

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

For the love of critical thinking, Trump is about to get elected because of the ways in which your vote counts… It counts within the system we have, which is complex and takes 2,000 words to explain if not 20,000.

Yes though, you live in a Republic, welcome, glad to have you, the rules are laid out in the Constitution you’ve been hearing about your whole life, its shorter than reading this article honestly.

Sorry for the quip, but really really, your vote counts to the extent that non-voters (and the politicians running, and fake news, and yadda yadda) just cost Democrats the Presidency, Senate, and House. Seriously, we are about to get sent back to the 1800’s and you want to tell me “it doesn’t matter”. We need all hands on deck, you don’t just get to give up like that.

Ryan on

If You don’t get tvote towards the prez, do you really have a voice? I think not!

Thomas DeMichele
Thomas DeMichele on

Because of the way state-based rules work in the country, the popular vote holds a ton of sway. We typically follow custom and not constitution in America. In this way it really, really, really does matter. When Trump becomes the next President (by far the most likely scenario), it will be evidence of this. Only a few select times in American history has the people’s vote not determined the President in practice.

Then, when we really understand American politics, we realize that it is those state and local positions that really matter. In all cases voting matters, in all cases voter turnout is low, in all cases Republicans were elected by popular vote (even if not directly in every case).

A simpler system might feel better to the casual voter-eligible American, but we don’t have a simpler system. I think many try to present it as simpler and make you think your vote counts directly so people don’t give up out of confusion. I’ve chosen to give everyone the full scoop above, I’d urge you to realize the many ways in which your vote does count and not to prove “the other guys”, who want to present bits of the story alongside a pair of rose colored glasses, right.

Every vote counts, some just count in strange ways and “red-state blue-state politics” must be taken into account. The worst thing that can happen for the spirit of Democracy in our republic is for people to lose faith and stop participating. When the people don’t vote, the elite make the polices for them, and only a small fraction of elite will altruistically choose the public good over their special interest, this is Adam Smith’s basic invisible hand logic at play here. http://factmyth.com/factoids/adam-smith-is-the-father-of-modern-economics/

Don’t get sad, get educated, and become an active Democratic-Republican like our founding fathers: http://factmyth.com/tag/american-politics/